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  1. Cheeaka

    Cheeaka Well-Known Member

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    I understand about things becoming monotonous, but that's how it is with most things associated with "work", even the seemingly 'glamorous' jobs, don't you think?

    Perhaps you need a few more folks on your team;). May I recommend someone? Happyflowerlady, she's fab.

    I'd say that you're right about having one's fill after 6+ years, and him wanting to move on.
    One thing I noticed about Ryan is that he ran Postloop like a BOSS. Payments were quick, responses were quick, he was all-in.
    He ran it not like someone who was tired of it, but like someone who was just bossin' up all over the place, you know what I mean?

    After all that, you just don't leave the scene. No way. The way he ran that site?... he's going to be somewhere, doing something.

    I logged in all the time in 'support', not even commenting but just to see what people were talking about, and he was always there, a l w a y s there. (But you, KenBrace, know all about this type of work ethic, with your 700 plus posts, probably will be up to 800 by the end of the month, if not sooner.)

    Yes, with that work ethic, I think that he is delving into something more lucrative, for the reason that you listed here about the income being fairly low. But...
    Was his income really all that low from Postloop? I wonder.
    I mean, maybe compared to other people who run sites, perhaps. But compared to say, someone like me and my income, perhaps not.
     
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    Happyflowerlady Well-Known Member Moderator

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    Thank you for thinking of me, @Cheeaka ! I have also mentioned to @KenBrace that if there is something that I can help out with, I am happy to do whatever I can. I know that he has mentioned wanting to clean up the member lists of the banned members, and ones that registered and never posted for whatever reason, and that kind of thing is certainly something that I can help out with.
    I am also sorry to see Postloop closing, as I am sure we all are; and I would like to see this website perform to its best potential so it can stay in business.
     
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  3. Cheeaka

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    No problem about thinking about you; you're just the type a boss needs, and you're loyal! KenBrace will probably hit you up in the not-too-distant future; he probably has a multitude of tasks that you can do/help him with right now! Time will tell:).

    I really want this site to continue to thrive too:). I have a good feeling that it will.
     
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    As you say, I'm sure that anything can become monotonous and if Ryan just got bored with Postloop I'd rather him just come out and say that was the reason, not pretend that forum owners don't want to pay for content anymore because we know that isn't the case. I've said before, Ryan could be a bit prickly to get on with sometimes and even though I myself never had a problem with him, I know a lot of forum owners and writers did and that may have contributed to the decline in forums signing up? I'm only speculating of course, but it wouldn't have helped...

    Postloop itself was a very well run site though, and I think TFW can learn a lot from it, and also maybe learn from it's mistakes at the same time. Ryan admitted himself that having blogs on there and allowing people to earn from commenting on them was a mistake that if he started again he wouldn't have on there, and while TFW at the moment doesn't have blogs on here, that would stop me from implementing that feature in the future as well. Postloop proved it doesn't work.

    TFW is still in it's infancy and at the moment the list of forums is growing (with more on the way) and it has a core group of writers that are fairly well known doing a good job. The major issues are with some writers that are just here to try and earn money and they don't care about the reputation of the site (or their own for that matter) and will just post any old rubbish, cash out and then move on to the next site they earn money off. Weeding them out might be a painstaking process but will be worth doing. I mentioned in the past regarding the list of members on here, there's a lot that haven't even made 1 single post even though they signed up months ago so they should be deleted. There are some that have made a couple of hundred posts on a variety of different forums but have a rating of 2 or 3, that to me means they aren't good enough to be on here even though they have passed the gateway and leaving them on here doesn't look good for potential forum owners that are looking at signing up. They see 511 writers, some with zero posts, some that are banned and some that are rated 2 and they think well if they have been able to earn money here, the quality of the rest of the writers might not be that good either.

    Staff is also a big issue it seems, and while @KenBrace is doing a good job, he can't do it all on his own and I think the site is getting that big now that it is going to require others to help out. @KimberlyD was helping but seems to have disappeared now for whatever reason so it's back to a team of 1 again. I'm sure there are people on here that have experience of running forums and writing content that could take up the slack and do the day to day tasks of cleaning up the member list, rating new writers and moderating the content here on the community page. Promoting TFW is another area that could do with work, and that could also be done by the staff members leaving @KenBrace to work on maybe the payment side of things, or developing new features and tightening up the features that are already here.

    Sorry for the long post, just some thoughts on where TFW is now, and where it can go in the future as I do think that this site can pick up where Postloop left off, and become even more successful with a bit of work. As well as @Happyflowerlady, I'll also offer my services and if there's anything I can do to help, bare me in mind. Postloop had a lot of writers that was only on there to make money, they didn't care about the actual site itself, but I think there's a few writers on here, myself included that do not only care about what we write, but care about TFW as well.
     
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  5. Alex

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    I'm going to be frank and honest here, as I was one of the first people that joined TFW. I, and many others found the assistance from some of the 'helpers' actually dissuaded people from using the site as they were overbearing and pretty much they didn't have much of a leg to stand on. They were rude, and while Ryan was direct he had his reasons and said what they were.

    I know this as people used to message me, and it was also discussed several times on other forums, so people abandoned the site and went back to Postloop. I wouldn't read too much in regards to the posts made as I recall there were some bugs where posts were deleted, and if people used the same account as they used on Postloop, those posts seemed to have transferred over.

    Is it right to delete someone that has just chosen not to post, and given the very few forums available that is a valid reason why many just had no decent forums to join.
     
  6. GearZ

    GearZ Well-Known Member Moderator

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    I think something along these lines is a good call. Some sort of tiered package level makes a lot of sense because forums vary so wildly in their tone, subject matter, etc. A laid-back, chit-chat type forum might be happy with the "Budget" level, while a highly technical or scholarly community would require "Premium" content.

    There are writers, myself included, that would be interested in creating lengthier, properly sourced, and serious content. However, I imagine few would create said for $0.05 a post. As an example, my day job involves a lot of technical writing, so it became increasingly difficult to justify investing significant time in paid forum writing at the going market rates.

    Beyond that, agreed with the comments about overhauling the rating system. It is something that, frankly, never really worked well on Postloop. There were a number of reasons:
    • Some forum owners never rated at all.
    • Some rated artificially high.
    • Some rated way too low due to a variety of reasons (expecting huge posts, frustration they couldn't get their forums launched, some who were just nuts, etc.).
    • Forum owners who would rate without bothering to check the content, just so they could get their free points.
    • Forum owners who would rate the wrong member.
    • The way the bonuses were set up, it was possible to have a single low rating dump a good writer down to a lower pay rate. For those on the fence about continuing to write, it was a reason to move on.
    As to cleaning up the userbase, that sounds like a good idea. Though a reapplication process may result in people bailing, so that is something to consider before doing so.

    Anyway, just some thoughts in case they help. Cheers. :)
     
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    @KenBrace if you are looking for a staff member, please consider @Happyflowerlady - She is the best. She posts with purpose both at the support site and the member sites. She is also always available at the Post Loop support site. Often I see her as the lone "member online now". She is omnipresent. I think TFW will be very good place with her in it.
     
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  8. Cheeaka

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    First, speaking only for myself of course, I really like long posts, so it was great to read yours/this one. Also, just wanted to say that I'm sure that you and I post on some of the same forums via Postloop, so it's great to write to you in the community section of this forum.

    Moving on, I'd like to comment on a few things that you are talking about in your post:).

    As far as the blogs go, my take on blogs is that I enjoyed writing for some of them on Postloop. Some of them, like some of the food blogs, were/are absolutely gorgeous to look at (F o o d a l, for instance), and a pleasure to write for (especially for a foodie like me who loves all things culinary and loves LOVES to cook).

    I probably would have never come across some of these beautiful blogs had it not been for them being on Postloop. Maybe I would have, but perhaps not. I would hate to think that there is no way to make money posting on them.

    No, it wasn't great that sometimes you had to wait until your comments were approved to get your points for posting, but I think that there is some way having blogs on a paid-to-post site can work, and work for everybody. It might take some doing, and ironing things out at the outset, but blogs could work, in my opinion.

    Next, you say that there are some people that are just around to make money; well, that's the nature of the beast when it comes to most jobs in this world, isn't it? There are some people who actually "care" and then there are some that are only in it for the money.

    As far as a list of members here, some only making one post, and they should be deleted... perhaps there could be some leniency shown in these cases as one never knows "why" someone is not posting. To make a call about the posting habits of someone is kind of... what's the word I'm looking for? Presumptuous, I guess I would say.

    Let's take my case for example, shall we? I made some posts in the Gateway awhile ago, but I have not been approved as a writer here yet, so maybe that is the case for other people, they are not yet approved, so they don't write. (I don't know, but I'm just saying.)

    Me, I like to write. I write every day, online and offline, so getting paid to write is a nice bonus, but not the sole reason behind why I write.

    Secondly, my laptop is broken. It will be fixed soon, but in the meantime...

    I have to borrow my son's laptop when he is not working. He is young, full of energy, and runs an online business, so he is always on his computer.

    Although I am able to use his computer occasionally, I, in no way, am posting as much as I could (on Postloop forums), because I just can't right now. I would hate to get deleted:eek: from some of the forums where I write because I don't post much these days. One never knows what someone is going through.

    As far as the rating system goes, if someone has made hundreds of posts, but only has a 2 or 3 rating, don't you think that person's posts deserve to be read somewhat in their entirety and evaluated based on the content of their work as a whole? Hundreds of posts means that they have put a lot of work in, and have a decent work ethic, and therefore should probably not be dismissed on a whim.
    Gotta go, my son wants his laptop!:)o_O:D
     
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    If my memory serves me correctly, Ryan's primary career is in software development. In the US, developers make $60k - $80k per year on average, so compared to that Postloop's income was probably somewhat low. Especially once the forum list started shrinking.
     
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    You could be right about Ryan's primary career. I don't know.

    It wouldn't surprise me one bit though, to find out that he develops software.
    You say in the U.S. those types of salaries are 60 to $80k? Where are you?

    I think 60 to 80 might even be on the low end of the income bracket when it comes to software developers.
    I know of garbage men who make $70k a year:eek:o_O, and daycare owner-workers who make even more than that. Not even mad at them though.
     
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    I live in the US.

    Starting out, you can expect $40k - $50k per year. If you have a degree and a few years under your belt then $60k - $70k is what you'll be looking at. If you're a senior dev and you've got 5+ years experience and a specialty, then you can make $80k - $100k. In places like Silicon Valley and New York, the pay brackets just about double.

    One of the keys to landing a lucrative gig is having a specialty. Specialize in a hot coding stack and market yourself as a specialist. That's the key.
     
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    I live in Silicon Valley, so that's why I said that the pay seems a bit low to me... that's probably also why I know of garbage-men who make $70k and daycare owners who have made close to $200ko_O a year.

    I didn't know the pay for developers was that high in New York, but it makes sense, it is New York after all:).

    An ex-boyfriend of mine operates a subway train in New York, and he makes a lot of money. Since subway operators make a lot (not putting down subway operators in any way, I'm just saying that...), I can definitely see where almost anything having to do with the ever lucrative field of computers will garner a large paycheck.

    Actually, correcting myself here, it's not that I didn't know the pay was that high for software developers in NY, it's just that I'd never really given that particular subject any thought:).
     
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    Yep, the paychecks are large in the Bay Area but the cost of living is also through the roof. If you could live in a camper or something while working, you could retire in 5 years.
     
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    Yeah, tell me about it (the cost of living). I was born in SF; moved to the Monterey Bay area with my family when I was a toddler. Eventually moved back to the Bay years later as an adult. Ended up moving from the Bay to the heart of Silicon Valley for awhile. Loved the area, but later moved to the outskirts. It's nice, but you are right, the cost of living is high. The paychecks have to be large in order for most people to live here.
     
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    Oh, Ryan is still in the writing business. ;) Postloop is now an article writing business, but I didn't see anything about forums. The domain has been redirected to a new URL.
     
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    Indeed. I just signed up for the new site. It looks to still be in development, but it is interesting. It reminds me of another content writing site I used to be active on.
     
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    Yep, it reminds me of Constant Content, which used to be a good site. Ryan has been answering questions about it over at Forum Coin.
     

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