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Writers are not reading rules and meeting minimum requirements

Discussion in 'Forum Owners' started by William, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. William

    William Member

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    Hello,

    Just thought to express my disdain for writers that do not read the forum description here at Forumwheel. I run Christforums, and we clearly state that a minimum of five sentences is required from Forumwheel members.

    We do not give forewarning when writers do not meet minimum requirements. We will take your priv. away from forumwheel revenue, though you may continue to post in the forum. If you do decide to keep posting in the forums, after a dozen or so posts which may boost back your credibility please lemme know and I'll review your account and reinstate it if you meet our minimum requirements.

    I'm a little inconvenienced over the rating system here with the current issues. We have lowered our standard because everyone was reset to 3.0. I also read that writers are receiving a temporary boost in pay. Just to let forumwheel staff know that that will result in less posts per day on my forum in hopes of better quality posts. I would just like to you know at least in my case, I'll require better post for better writer pay out, and that's in order to ensure quality purposes.

    Enjoy,
    William
     
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    to7update Well-Known Member

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    I think 5 sentences per post is not justified for the given pay, that's why I never joined your forum.
     
  3. Kaynil

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    Fair enough. I will make sure to keep this in mind.
    besides the length, are there any other instructions you feel have been overlooked?
     
  4. William

    William Member

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    That's it. We ask that people also upload an avatar and only take into consideration the Christian worldview before replying to the OP. On another note another writer just joined and has posted ..... 3 sentences on their very first post.
     
  5. William

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    I appreciate you not wasting our time with thin content. As a forumowner I find it a waste of time and money $100+ a month for content that adds nothing to the discussion.

    On another note, Forumwheel Staff @KenBrace , whatever happened to giving "bonuses" towards forumwheel members that exceed our expectation?

    William
     
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    No problem @William, you are entitled to ask what you want from writers obviously, you are the one paying.
     
  7. KenBrace

    KenBrace Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Five sentences isn't very much. If you can't write 5 sentences then your pay should probably be lower. This post here took me around 60 seconds and it's 5 sentences long. Honestly, I think the average post should be longer than that. Posts should be at least 3-4 lines (7-8 sentences) in length.
     
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    You're the boss, but I don't think most forum owners are looking for quantity, but quality. You can check the ratings I had before the new system was implemented to see if I deserve the pay I am receiving or not. By the way, I have just written three sentences here, and managed to write more characters than you did with your five sentences, so indicating 5 sentences is highly subjective too.
     
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    My average posts are in fact 3-4 lines.
     
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    It is true that sentences are subjective. As long as you are writing 3-4 lines of content that adds value to the forum, then I see no problem.
     
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    :)

    I didn't meant to attack the quality of contents writers have to produce on Forum Wheel, and I am sorry if you saw it that way, but if I feel some forum requirements are too strict, I simply do not join.
     
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    Personally, if you wrote something as such in my forum I would not even bother to count your sentences. However, I'm speaking of an average word count of five sentences. Some people do try to meet the minimum requirement in a lazy way. For example, "Glad you shared! Very interesting indeed!" etc etc.

    In other words, some responses are obviously thin and draw the forum owner's attention to word and sentence count.

    Enjoy,
    William
     
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    That almost sounded like an invitation @William. :) The fact is, that even if I am a deep believer of religion, or something superior, I am not too familiar with Protestant religion (meaning that I don't know what it is), nor exactly what you mean by "Please consider the Christian worldview before expressing yourself".
     
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    I believe our rules will better explain what we mean by the Christian worldview. Pay attention to our "basic principle" - https://www.christforums.org/articles/196-forum-terms-and-conditions

    And sure to7, you're more than welcome on our board. You already have posted a subject - What are Protestants? Perhaps that can even be your introduction, which tells us something about yourself, your likes and interests and any questions you may have?

    Our board is pretty friendly, and the Christian brethren are generally a very tight group that is welcoming of others. The only issues that usually occur are when our rules are ignored.

    Hope to see you around if you take me up on my offer. Above all, I hope our board is a place that entices you deeper into subjects never really thought of before. It should be an enjoyable place for you to make friends etc. The financial aspect of forumwheel should not even be a consideration.

    The way I look at forumwheel membership: I'd pay for the advertisement or forumwheel membership. Forumwheel membership is a form of advertisement, we receive many Christian protestants from forumwheel, some of which are even Pastors. We actually have a couple examples that have come to our board and refused to accept money for posts. Others even go so far as to donate back money every month. I'm not suggesting that you have to do that! But I'm just saying that the place and fellowship will hopefully become a part of your daily routine, a place where you enjoy hanging out.

    Enjoy to7,
    William
     
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    I know how you feel, and I think five sentences is fine. If I had to categorise subscribers in the simplest form, I could place them in two categories: those who join to earn money and enjoy their time engaging in discussions, and those who just join to earn money.

    Those who fit into the former category have sometimes seriously impressed me, and that's why I've given them top ratings. They really do enjoy interacting with other members and I can tell they're not only doing it for the money. Sometimes they even go far beyond the minimum. Those in the latter category are the forum equivalent of clock watchers. Their posts would nearly always fit inside a pixel-perfect rectangle because they nearly always keep it to the bare minimum. Sometimes they can't even do that.

    As I said, five sentences is a perfectly reasonable minimum. If somebody enjoys engaging in discussions they often won't even pay particular attention to the minimum. In my experience over the many years I've joined forums (and now running my own), if I enjoy conversation I'll usually finish a reply quite quickly and end up writing quite a lot too.
     
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    You might want to also consider encouraging complying writers to stay and encouraging real users to feel welcome. Otherwise all you will see is paid newbies who tend to inexperienced. For example, rate complying writers as soon as you get a sample of their work, give them a decent rating, make you own replies so they expand the topic and encourage others to take part, not that shut down discussion. Even those trying to follow every rule can't roll a rock uphill for long.
     
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    While I agree with some of your points, that's a very bad idea. When we rate subscribers we're looking for consistency. If we rate people nearly immediately (after seeing a small sample) it might turn out they're not very good posters at all and that will harm TFW in the long term. Think about it. I agree that it's nice to encourage them, but giving them good ratings from the get-go could produce inaccuracies which would lead to forum owners who want a high rating to be unhappy with the experience. I feel that subscribers need to earn a high status. As it turns out, I actually let those with average ratings on my board and give them a chance, but if they can't meet the requirements I'll keep an eye on them.

    Your example is like a teacher giving all students at least a B grade in an exam because it might make them feel better about their performance and do better than a possible D or E grade. Or maybe they won't do better. They might think they're already doing a good job, so there's no need to improve their quality.

    Also, you should remember that admins can be busy. This is why TFW can be so useful. Other unpaid members on the forum can often take care of a good discussion. While I contribute to discussions there's only so much I can do, and assessing paid poster performance adds extra maintenance as well.
     
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    They can re-rate at any time. And I find a good rating very encouraging to participate more. Meanwhile I am still on the generic 3 because none of my forums have rated me since the great reset. My example is really like giving a student a grade for a piece of work done in the first few classes, not leaving everything to the final exam. Except that here the forum owner can change the grade at will at any time, so it's even more in their favor.

    I think it is fine for admins to do what they like. But providing only punitive feedback might not be the best way to get they outcome they seek. People just here to get money however they can will keep working on less enjoyable sites (possibly at a poor level of execution), but I suspect those who put a little more effort and thought into their posts will gravitate to the more "friendly" forums.
     
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    Who said anything about punitive feedback? ;) Maybe you'd be surprised at the level of praise (along with constructive criticism) I've provided in my ratings. Also, I am not aware of a way to alter ratings. Perhaps I didn't look hard enough.

    The enjoyment of forums is a subjective matter. Christians might really enjoy Christforums, those with a particular personal fitness interest might prefer Health Forum, and those who take an interest in entertainment topics (or general discussion) might like my own. I'd agree they'd often post on forums that don't interest them based on the decision to post on all the forums here and earn the most credits. For us site owners though, the best way to ensure (to the best extent) we get quality posts is to give honest feedback.
     
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